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What if Adam had…….

Nobody ever talks about the ‘what if’s’ of the bible.

I always seem to look at these to see if I can clarify a passage by looking at the opposite of something and see if it had gone the opposite way, what it would mean or represent from that perspective. I have one that is very fun and exciting to think about. Sometimes, thinking or learning this way can unexpectedly can help you with other texts down the road. This is such one.

What if……Adam and Eve had ate of the ‘Tree of Life’!

Wow, Would of never had thought of that!

This statement has a few facets to it, if we dig deep into it. Let’s start with the first one. Adam and Eve ‘ate’ the fruit of the tree. Now we perceive and have always look at this story as a fleshly act. We ‘bite’ into a peach and we chew it until we swallow the fruit to digest into ourselves, as to make it apart of us. This is a actually a ‘word picture’ of ‘eat’ for us to ‘see’ in a beautiful description of what God sole and only purpose for his creation to be.

I have been ‘preaching’ this scenario to people that I know, and to various other people, to let them start from scratch in their search for God. It is this. For a long time I looked at this scene and said “We were supposed to eat of the Tree of God(Life), although this is true, it’s gets better, It’s not the ‘tree’ that we are supposed to it!, it’s the fruit of the ‘Tree’, Which is ‘all’ of the distinctions of God or all the qualities of God. Which would mean that we would be ‘of’ Him in doing so. His ‘Fruit’ would be ‘Our’ fruit!!

Wow, Just WOW! If only we would of done it then!

Now let’s take this another step forward. Let’s go to the new testament in a passage that will infer this same thing of eating of the Tree of Life. Mark 14: 22 While they were eating, He took some bread, and after a blessing He broke it, and gave it to them, and said, “Take it; this is My body.” This scenario of the Passover meal is the backdrop of this statement by Jesus. The Passover meal is a backdrop, it must be taken in thought to fully understand the statement by Jesus. The passover was the act of God to protect His people from death from the Egyptians curse of their land by God. The key point here is the saving of His people thru the blood of the lamb’s meal. It is then carried forward to the storyline now in mark as Jesus’s body as the ‘lamb’ to be pictured as ‘eating’ or being filled with His ‘fruits’ of His Life.

This reality of melding with Christ is the Holiness that what becomes us to be Holy in God’s eyes. It is what it is portraying in Genesis 2 as eating of the ‘Tree of Life’ would of been to them. This illustrates the Spiritual aspect of Christ as He was giving us to taste of Him. To become as one in Him. To be all in all.

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Then the eyes of both of them were opened…..

It all started here.

This was the beginning of the downfall of mankind.

We are going to take this scenario from the beginning of man’s time and see where it lead us, and what ramifications that it has on all of us.

We are going to start at verse 6 of Genesis 1, “When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate. This is after the serpent had talked to her about what God had told them the do’s and don’t’s.

The serpent questioned eve about how truthful God was in telling them of the sincerness of God and his instructions.The first thing that the serpent questions eve about is the fact of dying if the fruit was touched or eaten. Now, this is where we must start in analyzing what is meant in the discussion of adam and eve’s beginnings.

From my perspective, I have always wondered if they even knew what ‘dying’ meant? After their ordeal of eating of the fruit, and God coming upon them in the garden, hiding in the bushes, what was God going to do to make them ‘die’? With God’s questioning them about what had just happened in the garden and the forbidden fruit being eaten, and the repercussions being giving out to adam and eve, what was the mind thinking?

(I am doing this on the ‘fly’ as I go in the ‘understanding of the text, so let’s work this out together) I may throw out various possibilities of answers or questions thru this discussion.

Something that maybe we need to input here that could alter our theology of things from here out in the understanding of the scriptures. And it is this : In What state was Adam and Eve in in the Garden of Eden? And by this I mean, Adam and Eve could not of been ‘in the flesh’ in the Garden of Eden. Why? Because no one being of the flesh will be in the Kingdom of God. So the question is, “What state were they in?” I myself am not sure. But our answer will effect our belief’s from here going foreword as you will see.

Let’s go over first the reaction from eve on ‘seeing’ the tree of ‘good and evil’. She said that it ‘was good for food, it looked ‘pretty’ and the tree was desirable to make ‘one’ wise. Now, on the first observance of the ‘fruit’, it was object of a first fruit of a ‘fruit’ tree, so it was for the eating for man. Should be good so far. The second thing was mentioned was that it looked ‘pretty’ to eat. Now, as we know from food from all across the world, that all food does not look pretty. So this is an iffy proposition for us in deciding that something is good for us just because it looks ‘pretty’. The third statement from eve is one that might be hard or need to go deep into what this really means but we will throw out some things for us to think about. Serpent’s proclamation is “For God knows that in the day you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

This quote is in two parts, we will take them one at a time. The first one, I am particular interested in solving, it is revisited in alot of things in the bible, so if we solve the first one, we should be able to see our way thru with the rest of them.

‘Eat from it and your eyes will be opened’, sometimes when reading a verse or passage on something and it is referring it as being positive, I will also look at it from the opposite view, this passage is one of them. We then can say that Adam and Eve’s eyes were ‘closed’ (allegorically) in this instance. So, what does this mean? First, we can say that God did not want us to ‘know good and evil’. We could also say that only God was the author of ‘Good and Evil’, only God’s wisdom can say what is ‘good and evil’. We as His creation cannot! For He, and only He is the Creator! So is this the way that we were designed to be, as God’s creation? So, let us take this as a good thing or a God thing. (for now) Obstacles ahead!

So, by going by this, God’s desire is for his creation not to know ‘the knowledge of good and evil’. The added text from ‘the serpent’ of us having the knowledge of good and evil plus we would be ‘like God’ is not to be known by man, for man’s sake.

Let’s take this a little step further, Adam and Eve were given a choice in the garden, to obey or not to obey. This is also called a ‘Free will’ by some in the business. Some say this is not relevant in anything besides this passage. But we will see.

Now if you are new to the scriptures, you will not ‘know’ what is coming down the road for man to struggle with in his journey of continuing his ways, or if he wants to change his frutility in life. Those that have some knowledge of the whole bible, knows that there is going to be varying thought processes of who or what is going to be effected.

We will continue on with this another day, let me know what you think so far on your interpretation of this or just a comment.

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Dying

This is a word that will change your life when someone says it about someone.

It is a word that creates things in your mind about the person in which it is said. It brings sadness, sorrow, horror and complete disbelief of the news. We know that this word points to ending of one’s life in the physical life as we know it. This mortal body is coming to an end of it’s time, for whatever reason that has brought about the dying of it. It will be over. Finished. Done.

It is with this mindset, and reality of death that we must use to instill in ourselves in the understanding of these verses in Romans 7.

      1      Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives?
      2      For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband.
      3      So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.
      4      Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.
      5      For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death.
      6      But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

New American Standard Bible: 1995 update. (1995). (Ro 7:1–6). La Habra, CA: The Lockman Foundation.

This illustration of dying in and of the law is as true to the finality of something as a person that has just been told they are dying. This story of the law and its repercussions of living under its jurisdiction, is just devastating to one and its life of being.

Let’s break this down. Let me insert something here that is always helpful in understanding the scriptures. The Bible was ‘not’ written to us (ponder on this for a second) but ‘for’ us. The ‘law’ question that is being raised here is generally used for the Israelite’s in their worship of God. They have the 10 commandments. They also have 613 minor laws that are to be followed in the observances of these main laws. It is these that we are concerned about.

I am going to be talking not of the black and white of romans 7. 1-6 but of what it is actually saying to us in the deeper meaning of Paul’s illustration. The ‘law’ that is talked about is the ‘slavery’ that we are under with the power of ‘ the law’ of sin. We are slaves to it, we have no recourse but to follow it’s instructions. We are trapped. Sin is there. It is the law that exasperate it that makes it larger than life and brings it out into the front of our lives. It is all around us, in everything that we want to do, it is there, making us do the things that we don’t want to do.

The Law of marriage says that they and us today that if we are married, we are married to that person til death do us part. It is this and only this that cancels this bond. Anything outside of this bond is considered to be adultery for it is outside of the law.

Jesus uses the things of this world as the example of things that are to be understood in His Kingdom.(Not the other way around) It is here that we will transpose this example into what Jesus is really saying.

Jesus is telling us that our master is the sin of our flesh must die, so that we may again be with our original owner of God. Jesus, being the perfect example of fulfilling the law, and only one, must die to it, to then have no ownership of Him or of anyone else. Jesus has taken the effectiveness of the law and has abolished it, so that it will not have any influence on us.

God’s decree on His servants, is that they are free from bondage of the law, and are now servants of the creator. God is always faithful. He brings back to him his children that are lost. As like the prodigal son, God always will welcome us in our journey back to him with open arms, and to prepare that awesome feast for us to announce that all are back in the fold.

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